old 3ds performance problems

[Trickiy]

For old 3ds's the home page is slow and sluggish(literally every game too) and the animations for some of the animals on the top screen will not play out(it seems to be only the chicken ), in the pong game the ball physics will be sped up, in jetfighter due to the slow framerate the jet will start spinning and shooting in all directions when moving left/right including the helicopters. Will notify if I see more issues.

[Wolfyxon]

I'll try my best to fix that.
Although it might not be easy since I don't own an old 3DS.

[Trickiy]

A idea I have to fix some of the bugs and issues is to temporarily limit the framerate to simulate the lack of performance so it is easier to debug. and can the faster scrolling be a little bit gradual it's too snappy and even more snappy with the old 3ds specs due to the lowered framerate.

[Trickiy]

And yeah I see how it would be hard, kinda fixing a problem blind I guess.

[Trickiy]

I went into the debug app and noticed that when idle with old 3ds specs the fps hangs around mid 50's but as soon as I start mashing all the usable buttons the framerate tanks to around 10fps.

[Trickiy]

(can't edit comments)and tapping click me kills fps too.

[Wolfyxon]

A idea I have to fix some of the bugs and issues is to temporarily limit the framerate to simulate the lack of performance so it is easier to debug. and can the faster scrolling be a little bit gradual it's too snappy and even more snappy with the old 3ds specs due to the lowered framerate.

I've done this before when migrating to the delta time system, but I'll give it a deeper testing. Thanks

[Trickiy]

I managed to get a hold of my shared phone for a bit and recorded a video of what I am seeing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOzVaL_yy9w

[Wolfyxon]

Thanks

[Wolfyxon]

I pushed an update that fixed some performance problems and dying to off-screen spikes in Jumpy.

[Trickiy]

Just tested the update Jumpy and Pigeon play with no issues. But Pong and Jetfighter still have issues like the ball in pong and the bullets in jetfighter keep rock skipping in and out of existence. The other bug exists in jetfighter where the player won't move all the way to the far sides and top and bottom most parts of the screens old/new dosen't matter still occurs. But spinning of the jet and helicopters has been fixed.

[Trickiy]

Forgot to mention that the menus feel a bit smoother and in Debug framerate has improved by 10 fps acationally hitting 70fps but spamming the buttons still tanks performance. I think the button detection system is the culprit.

[Trickiy]

Final thing I forgot is the chicken is no longer a statue. :)

[Wolfyxon]

Final thing I forgot is the chicken is no longer a statue. :)

Actually I haven't touched the animation code, but good to know lol.

[Wolfyxon]

Forgot to mention that the menus feel a bit smoother and in Debug framerate has improved by 10 fps acationally hitting 70fps but spamming the buttons still tanks performance. I think the button detection system is the culprit.

Yeah, that's the issue. Since I'm not using the Gamepad API anymore (it's a bit pointless) I'll create a new input detection system using the keyup and keydown events. It will be more direct in terms of code but I'll also include checking keys in a loop.
I'm already using direct key events in the homepage and some games so that's why they feel smoother.

[Wolfyxon]

New input detection system is complete. FPS don't drop that much anymore.

[Trickiy]

the new input detection system still lowers fps by 10 much better than before where the fps would go single digit. But the click me button still kills fps. Also I noticed using the chicken as a fps guide when idle best performance start scrolling up or down lowers fps. hold down left/right the chicken goes statue.

[Wolfyxon]

Hmm

[Trickiy]

I just found out that while in debug and enabling request mobile sites will change the optimal interval from 0 to 16 and lower performance.

[Wolfyxon]

The optimal interval thing was used before switching to the delta system. Basically it chose a loop delay for fast devices to match the speed of the 3DS.

I'll remove it completely, I see It's still somewhere around.

[Wolfyxon]

Update pushed, I'll also take a look at the mobile layout enforcement to see what it exactly does from the technical point of view.

[Trickiy]

I found this site http://browscap.org/ua-lookup that shows what the 3ds browser capabilitys are. I think this will be usefull to you.

[Trickiy]

In the site it says backgroundsounds are false. So having base64 sound effects or a (midi)web audio api are not possible?

[Trickiy]

I just saw a video about how to make snake in java applet. Would it be possible to make games on 3ds browser using it only java applet, or in tandem with java script and have better or worse performance?

[Trickiy]

I don't know how to spell tandem so what I mean is at the same time or together when I am trying to say tandom.

[Wolfyxon]

In the site it says backgroundsounds are false. So having base64 sound effects or a (midi)web audio api are not possible?

Sadly no, I would love to add sounds.

I just saw a video about how to make snake in java applet. Would it be possible to make games on 3ds browser using it only java applet, or in tandem with java script and have better or worse performance?

I don't really have experience with using Java applets in the web, but I might give it a try. However I think the performance could be worse since Java can be resource hungry. But cool to know that both the Old and New browsers support it.

[Trickiy]

There might be a way to use audio that is not backroundsounds we just don't know how to do so at the moment.

[Trickiy]

So let's do visible txt sounds for now for instance doing a bunch of pews when the jet in jetfighter is shooting and when helicopters explode have a BOOM in place when dead.

[Trickiy]

And for the 3d gun game have a invisable circle where visible sounds would be if on the top of the circle the sound be in front, bottom being behind and so on. With different colors and or icons to idicate what types of sounds.

[Wolfyxon]

There might be a way to use audio that is not backroundsounds we just don't know how to do so at the moment.

The only possible way to play audio is to play a video, but you can't watch it without showing controls on the bottom screen so whatever game would use it it would be unplayable.

So let's do visible txt sounds for now for instance doing a bunch of pews when the jet in jetfighter is shooting and when helicopters explode have a BOOM in place when dead.

Sure

[magiczocker10]

Performance issues on home page should be resolved.

[Wolfyxon]

Well it runs faster, but still doesn't match the new 3DS speeds (unless the settings I change on my New Nintendo 2DS XL to make it run like Old 3DS are inaccurate).

[magiczocker10]

Pong should be much better and playable after recent pull request is merged. Performance is not perfect, but don't think faster gameplay is really possible due to hardware limitations.

[Wolfyxon]

I'll review and test all PRs soon, I needed a little break since I've been coding intensively for the past few weeks.

[magiczocker10]

@Trickiy Could you give an update on this ticket? I know that „breakout“ is not optimized yet, but which of the other games do you think need further optimization?

[Trickiy]

@Trickiy Could you give an update on this ticket? I know that „breakout“ is not optimized yet, but which of the other games do you think need further optimization?

The games that need further optimization are Jetfighter, Pigeon, and maybe Brush. The input detection system also needs to get looked at, at some point as it still hurts performance.

[magiczocker10]

@Trickiy Breakout was optimized in the latest update. Do you think its well optimized?

[Trickiy]

Sorry for the late response the @ did not notify me for some reason, Is it ment to show up in my inbox?. Ignoring the issue on my side the breakout optimizations are great, Feels way better than before. Now for breakout the ellement of skill, brick regeneration, and point system needs implemented.

[Trickiy]

@Trickiy Breakout was optimized in the latest update. Do you think its well optimized?

I just changed my settings so things are much more managable, so feel free to ping me whenever I will be much quicker to reply.